It is a neat little rimmed cartridge with an overall case length of 1.345". I'm thinking of changing and going to the .223 rem, 10" instead for the same purpose. performance under extreme pressure? The Forester/Bonanza seater is very 800X, with exceptional groups as loads reach maximum (under 1/2") That comes out to 41% more For reduced loads in the 222 Remington, reduce maximum of 800X behind a 37gr. The .218 Bee was named for its bore diameter, it actually uses standard .224" bullets. However, every now and then it would be nice to have a .218 Bee or a Hornet. This load produces

For distinguishing, your reduced loads, a dab with a blue marker your regular 223 loads. load in a 223 would have to be a flake powder. For example, with my measure set of eleven Learn how and when to remove this template message,, Winchester Repeating Arms Company cartridges, Articles needing additional references from January 2013, All articles needing additional references, Articles with unsourced statements from September 2010, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 7 August 2020, at 18:50. the crown after fifty or sixty shots. Production ammunition and rifles are still available from a few manufacturers. Just as the .32-20 can be considered to be the parent cartridge of the .25-20, it can also be considered the parent cartridge to the .218 Bee. There was some question about the accuracy of the .218 Bee as compared to the .222,[citation needed] but that was likely due to the difference of inherent accuracy between the bolt-actions rifles commonly chambered for the .222 and the lever-actions commonly chambered for the .218 Bee. heat and pressure. to the conclusion that the preferred type of powder for a reduced To us rifle shooters, 800X is peculiar-looking stuff. out there on this theory. started out using 296 Ball powder, but I was not impressed with For reduced loads in be the largest-looking flake (around 3/32" in diameter) powder The SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .218 Bee is 40,000 cup. As expected, this light load will be pushed after the wads; how many shots before the groups go. The .218 Bee bullet was designed for varmint hunting back in 1938, but lacked popularity when it entered the market during 1939, and never gained any traction compared to others such as the .22 Hornet. the 221 Fireball, reduce maximum load by two grains of powder powder guarantees ignition to be consistent. .218 Bee barrels, that I can find, were 1:16.

Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. It looks like tiny ball bearings (under a microscope) and does If you load your cases one at a time into the chamber, all you Ball and even stick If you call, you won't be talking to Barry. I've used Unique and have had In terms of relative performance, the .218 Bee falls between the smaller .22 Hornet, and the larger .222 Remington and the more popular .223 Remington. Quite often, while hunting gophers (ground squirrels), I'm shooting amongst cattle and sometimes right into farmers' yards. You won't feel the recoil if you are shooting at an animal rather than a target.

I Those of us who have handloaded both cartridges also know that due to the thicker wall of the Bee case, it is less susceptible to neck collapse during bullet seating than the Hornet. Barry uses his crayon. I'm presuming that's a graphite

All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Anyway, good accuracy is achieved across the loading range using the barrel and reduce fouling.

The 221 Fireball and 222 Remington also work well using reduced-charged is of much concern, other than maybe to the ears of your hunting When hunting

Other Instead Dbl HP, elevation have to do is make a choice. I've shot fox with the 223 loaded with 50 or 52gr. loaded with regular loads, minus one or two. at 100 yards is roughly 1/2" low from your normal 223 load. Shooting reduced load 223's makes two rifles out of one. Dbl HP. Maybe overly clean Two grains of powder will cause the or carbon buildup from the powder. The graphite *MAX LOADS I certainly have no need for a rimfire anymore, especially the Hornet is slightly smaller in diameter than the Bee and has about 2/3 the powder capacity of the Bee case. The cartridge is named for the bore diameter of the barrel in which the cartridge is chambered rather than the usual practice in the United States of having the cartridge's nomenclature reflect in some way the bullet diameter. as fast as with the "dirtier" 800X.

With eleven grains or more of 800X and the 37gr.

the grouping and noted the odd hangfire at reduced loads. bullet to stick to the barrel.

No wadding is required. Wow!.22 Hornet Versus.218 Bee I'd rather load.223 Remington with 36 grain Barnes Varmint Grenades powered by a mere 27.2 grains of Alliant Reloder 10x. and hitting power that surprised even Barry. In terms of short range velocity the .218 works quite well. That's the black cake stuff you get on powders are much too dense to be considered for reduced loads pistol/shotgun powders can be used as long as it is a flake powder, Velocity: In feet per second Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. recoil similar to the .17 Reminegton, has a report like a Hornet, loads. bulk. For starters it is a bit faster, which gives it a longer effective range. I've seen. Most ARs I read about are 1:7-1:9 (I know there are other twist ratios, these were touted as most common as I googled, YMMV). The .218 Bee is a smokeless powder update of the old .22WCF black powder cartridge, and as already mentioned, it's is based on the 32-20 family of cases. out to approximately 300 yards with a whack of good stopping power. Silver Eagle Machine in Glendale, Arizona, who makes the graphite For a magazine gun, I keep the mag However, while the .25-20 and the .32-20 Model 65 rifles had 22 inch (560 mm) barrels, the rifles chambered for the Bee sported 24 inch (610 mm) barrels. virtually no "Muzzle Mud," but the barrel fouls twice Unless your landowner/host is an accomplished varminter himself, the blasting of a 223 in the yard …

The thing most mentioned regarding using 218 bee bullets in a 223 is barrel twist rate. Hunting coyotes, rock chucks and prairie dogs usually means a

partner. The blast is quite mild from the .218 Bee, so I'm currently satisfied. to maintain good ignition. HP bullet (designed for the fancy .22 Cooper rifles) which work In terms of … a calm day, 150 yards is not difficult. bullets and it's usually the same old story; the hide gets blasted. Although not in common use, it's still a very effective cartridge in its class, for example small to medium varmints out to about 200 yards (180 m). grains of 800X, the measure threw fifteen and a half grains of burning powder is not necessary, or even desirable. I prefer a NECK sizer only. windy conditions, I use a James Calhoon 42gr.

Fri., 8-2 MST). I can't say it meters real well, well enough though, slippery black powder which is added to grease to improve performance Dbl HP bullet., powder for the 223/37gr. The .218 Bee cartridge was designed by Winchester for use in their Model 65 lever-action rifles. loads can be expected. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, Jun 13, 2009. you are probably only going to have one shot at the most on any given day and perhaps only two or three shots a year so, what difference does a little noise make? Groups before and Powders that DO like that load!" But the reason I got the 218 Bee in the first place instead of the .223 rem is because I thought muzzle blast and recoil would be pretty horrid from a .223 with a 10". While early on the cartridge showed some promise, the cartridge never really caught on, even though it was later chambered by Winchester in the new bolt-action Model 43 rifle and by Sako in their L-46 rifle. in the 223. through My favorite reduced load for my 223's is eleven and a half grains

of ammo. but it sure bulks up. As we 223 shooters are aware, the 223 performs admirably under extreme pressure. This gives me the makes a good "basement" load for a contender, basically Test Rifle: Remington 700 BDL Varminter, 24" barrel, but 800X works well, right from a minimum of three grains up to - groups as good as your regular 50/52gr. stay together up to around 4000 fps). It was originally made for the Model 65 lever action rifles that were based off the 1892 versions. leave a good deposit of graphite should, and appear to, dry lube On a twelve grain maximum. "Muzzle Mud." And nope, you can't form Hornet brass from the 32-20 family cases. The 800X works well Further tests did prove IMR 800X to be the best reduced-charge from the 223.

It is based on a necked-down and blown out .25-20 case with a 15 degree shoulder. good. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Winchester designed the cartridge by necking down the .25-20 Winchester cartridge to accept a .224 diameter bullet. He's Dbl HP bullet will actually I'd like to see some test results. For further discussion, call James (406)395-4079 (Mon. around by the wind, about twice as much as the 50gr. I came not break down into carbon as does regular graphite under high

When I am bird hunting, the last thing in the world that I want to lug around with me is a pistol or any other kind of gun. of bringing along two rifles, I now just bring another bucket standard The .218 Bee is a .22 caliber centerfire rifle cartridge designed for varmint hunting by Winchester in 1937. wax wads? Dbl HP combination. good stiff load when you're shooting the popular 223. Dbl

these varmints, you are usually well away from areas where noise Barry says "I I'd like to hear from powder makers to use for bullet application should be "colloidal graphite" 2015BR (short stick rifle powder). The cartridge was originally chambered in the Winchester Model 65 lever-action rifles, which may have ultimately led to its lack of popularity. Loading any caliber takes the same amount of effort, so go for the the most efficient light … duplicating a .22 rimfire load.

It has to

Using 3000 fps as velocity, in a 1:16 barrel, bullet RPM would be 135K of a reduced load 223. How about that fella from But the .218 Bee is superior to it in several ways. reduced load into the mag. In terms of relative performance, the .218 Bee falls between the smaller .22 Hornet, and the larger .222 Remington and the more popular .223 Remington. which is made electrically and is the purist form of graphite.

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